diff --git a/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.cc b/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.cc
index c697441fc..fec06c57d 100644
--- a/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.cc
+++ b/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.cc
@@ -260,8 +260,6 @@ LayoutViewBase::LayoutViewBase (lay::LayoutView *ui, db::Manager *manager, bool
 {
   //  either it's us or the parent has a dispatcher
   tl_assert (dispatcher () != 0);
-
-  init (manager);
 }
 
 void
diff --git a/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.h b/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.h
index 0f8281458..db5e2c628 100644
--- a/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.h
+++ b/src/laybasic/laybasic/layLayoutViewBase.h
@@ -192,11 +192,6 @@ public:
    */
   LayoutViewBase (db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options = (unsigned int) LV_Normal);
 
-  /**
-   *  @brief Constructor
-   */
-  LayoutViewBase (lay::LayoutView *ui, db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options = (unsigned int) LV_Normal);
-
   /** 
    *  @brief Destructor
    */
@@ -2861,8 +2856,6 @@ private:
 
   tl::Clock m_clock, m_last_checked;
 
-  void init (db::Manager *mgr);
-
   void do_prop_changed ();
   void do_redraw (int layer);
   void do_redraw ();
@@ -2891,6 +2884,13 @@ private:
   void merge_dither_pattern (lay::LayerPropertiesList &props);
 
 protected:
+  /**
+   *  @brief Constructor for calling from a LayoutView
+   */
+  LayoutViewBase (lay::LayoutView *ui, db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options = (unsigned int) LV_Normal);
+
+  void init (db::Manager *mgr);
+
   lay::Plugin *active_plugin () const
   {
     return mp_active_plugin;
diff --git a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_noqt.cc b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_noqt.cc
index b43775a3a..fd8e8b028 100644
--- a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_noqt.cc
+++ b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_noqt.cc
@@ -30,6 +30,8 @@ namespace lay
 LayoutView::LayoutView (db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options)
   : LayoutViewBase (this, mgr, editable, plugin_parent, options)
 {
+  //  NOTE: it's important to call LayoutViewBase::init from a fully constructed LayoutView (issue #1360)
+  LayoutViewBase::init (mgr);
   config_setup ();
   finish ();
 }
@@ -37,6 +39,8 @@ LayoutView::LayoutView (db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_par
 LayoutView::LayoutView (lay::LayoutView *source, db::Manager *mgr, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options)
   : LayoutViewBase (this, mgr, editable, plugin_parent, options)
 {
+  //  NOTE: it's important to call LayoutViewBase::init from a fully constructed LayoutView (issue #1360)
+  LayoutViewBase::init (mgr);
   copy_from (source);
   config_setup ();
   finish ();
diff --git a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.cc b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.cc
index fe9010206..9b3f04286 100644
--- a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.cc
+++ b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.cc
@@ -279,7 +279,7 @@ LayoutView::LayoutView (db::Manager *manager, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin
   //  ensures the deferred method scheduler is present
   tl::DeferredMethodScheduler::instance ();
 
-  init_ui ();
+  init_ui (manager);
 }
 
 LayoutView::LayoutView (lay::LayoutView *source, db::Manager *manager, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, unsigned int options)
@@ -290,7 +290,7 @@ LayoutView::LayoutView (lay::LayoutView *source, db::Manager *manager, bool edit
   //  ensures the deferred method scheduler is present
   tl::DeferredMethodScheduler::instance ();
 
-  init_ui ();
+  init_ui (manager);
 
   copy_from (source);
 
@@ -306,7 +306,7 @@ LayoutView::LayoutView (db::Manager *manager, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin
   //  ensures the deferred method scheduler is present
   tl::DeferredMethodScheduler::instance ();
 
-  init_ui ();
+  init_ui (manager);
 }
 
 LayoutView::LayoutView (lay::LayoutView *source, db::Manager *manager, bool editable, lay::Plugin *plugin_parent, LayoutViewWidget *widget, unsigned int options)
@@ -317,7 +317,7 @@ LayoutView::LayoutView (lay::LayoutView *source, db::Manager *manager, bool edit
   //  ensures the deferred method scheduler is present
   tl::DeferredMethodScheduler::instance ();
 
-  init_ui ();
+  init_ui (manager);
 
   copy_from (source);
 
@@ -349,7 +349,7 @@ LayoutView::event_filter (QObject *obj, QEvent *event, bool &taken)
 }
 
 void
-LayoutView::init_ui ()
+LayoutView::init_ui (db::Manager *mgr)
 {
   m_activated = true;
   m_always_show_source = false;
@@ -373,6 +373,10 @@ LayoutView::init_ui ()
   mp_min_hier_spbx = 0;
   mp_max_hier_spbx = 0;
 
+  //  NOTE: it's important to call LayoutViewBase::init from LayoutView because creating the plugins will need a
+  //  fully constructed LayoutView (issue #1360)
+  LayoutViewBase::init (mgr);
+
   if (mp_widget) {
 
     canvas ()->init_ui (mp_widget);
diff --git a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.h b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.h
index b32ec4f12..294f85f70 100644
--- a/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.h
+++ b/src/layview/layview/layLayoutView_qt.h
@@ -627,7 +627,7 @@ private:
   bool event_filter (QObject *obj, QEvent *ev, bool &taken);
   QSize size_hint () const;
 
-  void init_ui ();
+  void init_ui (db::Manager *manager);
   void do_setup_editor_options_pages ();
 
   QWidget *layer_control_frame () { return mp_control_frame; }